As I am confronted by the Fourth Commandment, I am convicted not about Sabbath keeping, but about the Lord’s Day breaking. I am convicted that as I read the fourth commandment, that Israel’s responsibility to keep the Sabbath was, if anything, less important and the church’s responsibility to observe the Lord’s Day more important. It is not mere ceremony. It is to be that day anticipated and longed for. It is not an imposition. It is to be our confidence that if we can only survive the week, if we can only arrive at the Lord’s Day, we shall be with God’s people together. We can survive imperial imposition. We can survive the drudgery of what appears to be meaningless labor. We can survive persecution and trial. We can endure sickness and death–if only we can arrive at the Lord’s Day to be with God’s people together.
How pale and tepid and weak, how compromising and conflicted appears our thought of the Lord’s Day. I offer no tables or lists. It is not a Sabbath; it is the central Christian institution for our worship and gathering. It is distinct from other days; it is set apart for worship.
Are there things we ought not to do on the Lord’s Day? Certainly there are. Anything that would detract from our worship should not be done on the Lord’s Day. Anything that would rob the Lord’s Day of priority worship should not be done. Anything that would be on our minds when we are worshipping, as if we can only get done with this in order to do that, is a matter of sin, no matter what it is. . . .
Israel was called to obey the Fourth Commandment and to “observe the Sabbath.” The church is called to find rest in Christ and to give ourselves to worship on the day that marks His resurrection from the dead.
– R. Albert Mohler, Jr.,
Words from the Fire: Hearing the Voice of God in the Ten Commandments
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1st John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1st John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
all 10 including the fourth
“Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.”
– Col 2:16-17
please read my post on Colossians 2 16-17 for correct Interpretation.
See protestants love to ignore what is said plainly in the Bible and choose to distort other scriptures to justify their belief.
The Bible says, ;Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. ; But the Catholic church says, ;No, keep the first day of the week, ;and the whole world bows in obedience (Father T Enright, Catholic Priest)
Which church does the whole civilized world obey? Protestants call us every horrible name they can think of, anti-Christ, the scarlet colored beast, Babylon, etc. and at the same time profess great reverence for the Bible, and yet by their solemn act of keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the power of the Catholic Church. (Father T. Enright, Catholic Priest)
I have never called the Catholic Church the anti-Christ, etc., although I do think there are several problems with their understanding of Scripture. And I don’t worship on Sunday because they say to, I worship on Sunday because that was the example of the NT church.
When Christ he fulfilled the Law (Mat 5:17-18). Part of that fulfillment means bringing some commands to an end–that is, they are no longer to be kept. But that doesn’t mean that we are free from keeping the commandments of Christ, or the law of Christ, as Paul calls it (1 Cor 9:19-23)
Here’s a good article to read on such things:
Click to access lawofmoses.pdf
Blessings
nada Gods commandment never end.
And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.” And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. [Mark 7:14-20]
Seems like he ended at least a couple dozen of God’s commands to me.
what the heck does this scripiture have to do with Commandments. Duh
this scripture is talking about what things he says defile him. What are you saying that Gods commandments corrupt the man. Dont see your point here.
1st John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1st John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
wow you just dont want this scripture to register do you?
commandments all through old and new testament. Like i keep saying they never are abolished. But John you just dont seem to get it. show me one scripture where it says Gods commandment are abolished. You Cant!!!
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Exodus 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
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Joshua 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.
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Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
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Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Uh Oh!!!! Commandments still in effect)
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Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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St. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
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St. John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
St. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
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St. John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
St. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
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Epistle to Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Epistle to Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (All 10 Commandments still in effect!!!)
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1st Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
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1st John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1st John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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1st John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
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1st John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1st John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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2nd John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2nd John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
(Commandment the same today as in the days of old)
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
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Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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In conclusion the commandments of God are from beginning to the end and are always a part of life and should be taught. The commandments show how to love your neighbor as yourself.
My point in quoting Mark 7 is that all of God’s commands are not eternally binding. The commandments about clean and unclean food–what Israel was and was not allowed to eat–was abrogated by Christ himself. It was, for centuries, commandments God’s people lived by, then it was no more. Those laws ended and God’s people can now eat whatever they want because the fulfillment of those laws have come in Christ.
I have no problem with the 1 John passages, and without trying to sound arrogant, understand them well. The question is what commands does he mean? I take this to be the commands of Christ (what James calls the royal law and Paul the law of Christ), which are all summed up in the command to love God and your neighbor as yourself.
Booya
Here’s another command which ends: everything that involves the priesthood, the sacrifices, and the temple. Isn’t that that whole argument of Hebrews? These were commandments given to God’s people which ENDED with the coming of Christ.
“In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete” (Heb 8:13)
NO!! This is the covenant he is talking about. NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Hebrews 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
Hebrews 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
Hebrews 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Hebrews 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
Hebrews 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
But the commands are directly tied to the old covenant!
“For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the LAW as well.” (Heb 7:12)
Epistle to Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Epistle to Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Geez I dont believe this.
As you can see above how to love your neighbor is in the last six commandments. The first four Commandments show you how to love God. There is not just two commandments. as is says above they are briefly comprehended in the saying love thy neighboy as yourself. Geez come on dude. lol
I’m not saying there is no carry over. Clearly some commands are part of the new covenant (as you site above). But as I have clearly shown, many do NOT carry over.
How do you decide which stays and which doesn’t?
Or are you a Levite, living in Canaan, offering sacrifices for yourself and your brothers, not wearing clothes of mixed cloth, easy kosher, and doing nothing on Saturdays?
Just like above your taking a little part of a story or scripture and making justification in your own mind for not saying Gods Commandment are here to stay forever. Why????? Gods Commandments are awsome, they tell us what sin is and what love is. Protestants try to destroy his 10 commandment just so they dont feel guilty for not keeping his Sabbath.
I’m not taking bits and pieces; just the opposite! I’m looking at the BIG picture of God’s covenant relationships. Abraham didn’t keep the same Law as Israel. Neither do we as Christians keep the same Law as Israel. It’s an understanding of salvation history that shows God gave specific commands for specific times and not all are eternally binding on all his people. This is what the book of Galatians is all about.
I’m not trying to devalue anything. The Sabbath was a sign of God’s covenant with Israel. I’m not a part of that covenant, therefore that command is no longer binding on me–it’s fulfillment (i.e., intended end, goal) is Christ (Romans 10:4).
Do you really keep all of Leviticus? Or just the 10 commandments?
Yes change in the law!!! NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS!!! See your wresting that scripture.
Then, explain how you understand the difference please? How is a commandment different from a law?
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Now what do you think Jesus meant by this?
Well it depends on how we understand the word ‘fulfill.’ This word is has been understood in all kinds of ways. Some think Jesus fulfills the law by confirming or establishing it. Others think that he fulfills it by bringing the fuller, intended meaning to the law. Still yet, there are those that think Jesus reduces the law to its simplest form.
There is something of a grain a truth to some of those things, but all of those things understandings also have problems when we look to the bigger picture of Jesus’ teaching. The best way to find out what Jesus means when he says he fulfills the law is to look in other places where the word fulfilled is used and see what it means.
When you look at Matthew especially, you see that this word almost always means to fulfill a prediction or prophecy. So Matthew showing that Jesus did not come to keep, preserve, or intensify the Law, but to fulfill it by coming as that which the Scriptures point to.
Think about a passage from Matthew 2. Jesus is about 2 or 3 years old the magi have come and given him gifts, and they just left to go home. Then Matthew tells us, “Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, ‘Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.’ And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, ‘Out of Egypt I called my son.’”
Matthew says this was to fulfill – same word – what was spoken by the prophet. And he quotes Hosea 11:1. But when you read Hosea 11, it has nothing to do with the coming Messiah. It’s not a prophecy about Jesus. Instead, it’s talking about God calling the nation of Israel of out slavery in Egypt. Read Matthew tonight and you will see him doing this over and over again, taking seemingly unrelated Old Testament passages and saying Jesus’ fulfilled them.
So what’s going on? Matthew is showing us (along with the rest of the New Testament) that all of the Old Testament is pointing forward to Christ. Every story, every passage, every proverb, every law and mandate all serve as massive road-signs that say – Christ is coming. Everything is anticipating the coming of Christ; he is the goal of the Law and Prophets. So when he does come, he fulfills it.
So what does this mean for the Law? It means that now that Christ has come it has served its purpose. Jesus is insisting that the OT be read in light of him. As D. A. Carson says, Christ determines: 1) its continuity and in what sense it continues, 2) its true direction, and 3) the way it is to be obeyed.
You can spin anyway you want but the statement plainly says he did not come to destroy the law. His purpose was to teach gods laws of rightousness to men in person and to be the Lamb of God. Jesus is the image of God Almighty. What God says or commands Jesus teaches the same thing. I have read Mathew many times and there is nothing there to destroy the teachings or Commandments of God. You need to read John, It says this over and over again. There is no difference between Jesus and God Almighty, both are of exactly the same mind. That is why he said dont think i have come to destroy all gods works with the prophets of the old testament and Gods laws or Commandments. The only difference with the law of the old testament and the new is the old sacrificial system and the old leviticus priesthood system with all the ordinances the priest made for the sins of the people every year. All that went away, Not Gods Commandments. That is what Hebrews is about. Jesus is forevermore our sacrifince to God for a sweet smelling savor. Carsons Philosophy doctrines are of no interest to me. To me they are doctrines of the Devil. All I have to do is look at Gods Holy Word in the Bible and it is quite clear. Time and time again Gods Commandments are confirmed in the old and new testament as I have shown. I just can’t understand with all the scriptures showing plainly that Gods laws are good and loved by all his apostles and saints that Protestants will fight to the end to destroy them. Really quite sad I think. Anything to get out of that ole number four. Well no need to go any further with this. I have no interest in talking to a wall. I hope someday you come to respect Gods Laws and they are not grievous for you.
How can you possibly inore this said by Jesus Christ himself.
Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
JOHN!! PLEASE!! Can you really ignore this!!
Brother,
I don’t know what else to say to you. You quote catholic priests, but when I try to quote someone in passing, you say it’s all just philosophical gobbledygook from the devil. When you ask me to explain my understanding of the text, you don’t walk me through yours, you just say I’m wrong and spinning things.
From some of what you say, it seems like you have a strong axe to grind against protestants, but I’m not sure where you’re coming from. My experience as one has never been to do away with any of God’s commands.
Your last post worries me a little. Do you really think we are SAVED by keeping God’s commands? We are to obey God, but only in response to the salvation he gives us freely by his grace (Eph 2:8-10).
Here’s some passages to consider as we end our conversation.
Blessings
Galatians 2:15-21
We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. 17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Romans 10:1-16
Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. 5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 or “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
Here’s another command which ends: everything that involves the priesthood, the sacrifices, and the temple. Isn’t that that whole argument of Hebrews? These were commandments given to God’s people which ENDED with the coming of Christ.
“In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete” (Heb 8:13)
True but not the 10 commandments which Christ clearly shows above
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Gee it sounds like the commandments of God are pretty important as stated here. Takes both, Commandments and faith in Jesus Christ. Its a combo of the two. Like i said pretty plain to see. Undeniable in scripture.